Re: [-empyre-] multi-perspectival / cultural hegemony of space

[Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>]

This would of course depend on the definition of 'sound.' There are
arguments that tone or color, for example, depend on perception.
Certainly, there are vibrations, but sound might be of another color.

Is it music if it's unheard? Is it beautiful music if it's unheard?

Etc. - The phenomenology depends on the definition of these words, and
their coupling to the observer.

Alan

On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, John Klima wrote:

>
>
> > > does it require the
> > > presence of the other for the one to exist? that is what i find highly
> > > unlikely.
> > -----
> > I am not sure quite what you meant by this in the context you used it...but
> > from my perspective the self is created by the other...the self and the
> > other need one another like one needs air.
>
> the koan asks just that, is there sound without a listener. i answer
> ofcourse there is sound. i do not believe sound requires a listener for
> it to exist. if i'm at the studio blasting my hi-fi and i run out to the
> deli for a pack of smokes, my speakers are still pushing air whether
> that air reaches my ears or not.
> the one does not need the other to exist.
>
> >
> > An interestiong book, although it comes to totally the wrong conclusion, on
> > this subject is The Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius, a Roman
> > writer/thinker of roughly 400AD. He discusses at length the problematic of
> > being when totally alone (he wrote the book during a decade or so of
> > solitary confinement).
>
> i read boethius what seems like a million years ago. i was doing alot of
> "plurality of perception" back then so i don't remember much. as much as
> i define myself by how i differ from things other, i define myself by
> how i am similar.
>
> j
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